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DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 am
First topic message reminder :

Player list:
1:  Debi
2:  TricMagic
3:  CrimsonOverlord
4:  Pepchoninga
5:  Alisae
6:  Linda-Senpai
7:  Wingshine
8:  jjh927
9:  Kyosuke Kiryu

Game rules:
1) All decisions come down to a democracy. The moderator gets 9 votes.
2) Please place your votes using the following code. While using bold tags to place your vote is okay, using the following would be prefered. Your vote will not get counted if it's not bolded.:
Code:
<span style="background-color: #FFFFFF"><strong>[color=#000000]VOTE:[/color]</strong></span>
<span style="background-color: #FFFFFF"><strong>[color=#000000]UNVOTE[/color]</strong></span>
3) Lynches will occur when one player has received the majority of votes. You may post during the twilight period between the hammer and the closing of the thread.
4) If unsufficient votes are made on any player, or a majority of votes have been made to no lynch, no lynch will be made.
5) Nights will last 48 hours.
6) Do NOT quote any private communication from me, nor any mason, scum, neighbour, or anything topics that may or may not exist. You may paraphrase, just don't copy it wholesale.
7) You MAY NOT discuss the game outside of the thread unless your role specifically gives you the ability to do so. (The acception to this is the Scum PT).
8 ) Days will last 4 irl days, or until a lynch (or no lynch) has been decided on.
9) Blue (#0099ff) is my color. Refrain from using it.
10) If I am for whatever reason unable to continue moderating this, @Lux or @NightBot will take my place.
11) Death is final, but a single contentless "bah!" post will be permitted.  Just make sure it has no content in said post.
12) The rules can be arbitrarily changed/added to by one party (me) anytime I am feeling greedy and/or evil.
13) Players not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise.
14) This setup is non-bastard.
15) Be nice, and try to enjoy yourself. BTW I'll send prods every 24-48 hours. Something like that.
16) I definitely did not steal this from Alisae.

Setup Information:
1) The setup is confirmed as having 7 Town-Aligned players and 2 Scum-Aligned players.
2) The setup is Matrix6.  For more information, please view the sign-up thread or the following link:  Matrix6
 A B C
1 Jailkeeper VT Goon
2 Roleblocker Cop Doctor
3 1-shot BP Townie Goon Tracker
I am sending out role PMs now.  Once you have confirmed your role, you may begin playing.

Living:

CrimsonOverlord
Linda-Senpai
Wingshine

Dead:

TricMagic - Mafia Goon
jjh927 - Vanilla Townie
Debi - Vanilla Townie
Alisae - Doctor
Kyosuke Kiryu - Vanilla Townie
Pepchoninga - Tracker

Potential Power Roles:

Town:
Jailkeeper - A Jailkeeper's Night Action is one that render's its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night, but also Roleblocks its target. Players are not told that they are jailed.
Cop - The Cop is a role that has the ability to investigate players at Night to discern their alignment. Players who are investigated are not told they were investigated.
Doctor - A Doctor is a role that targets a player at Night to protect that player from a single kill made during that Night. They are not told if their protection was successful. They cannot self-target. The target will not be informed that they were saved.
One-Shot Bulletproof - One-Shot Bulletproof is a role modifier that allows a player to avoid being killed at Night one time. This does not extend to protection from lynches. The Bulletproof Townie's bulletproof cannot be roleblocked, as it is a reflexive action.
Tracker - The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar.

Mafia:
Roleblocker - A Roleblocker chooses one player per Night to block from performing his or her night action. The target's night action will not be performed. Players are not told that they are blocked unless it cannot be helped. Cop will recieve a "No Result" message.
The Mafia Roleblocker is allowed to both submit the nightkill and perform his Roleblocker action. In addition, the Roleblocker is stated to resolve before the Jailkeeper. This only matters in the case where the Roleblocker and Jailkeeper target one another, and even in this case only matters if the Roleblocker was also going to submit the kill (the end result being that the kill will not be jailed).


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:11 am
Hey guys.
Let's ignore Dan and Alisae.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:11 am
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:11 am
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@kyosuke kiryu wrote:Also, next time don't allow self voting like debi did
Agreed 100%. Self voting is pointless, dumb, and very poor sportsmanship
Frustrated townies also do it, but when they do do it it's too late by then.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:12 am
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.
How is it poor sportsmanship? If Town does so, yes, but if Mafia does so, it's a strategy to allow for less Town discussion.
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:12 am
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.
Scum want shorter days and to quick lynch.
Town want to attempt to use as much time as they need to discuss and scumhunt.
By selfhammering as scum, they get rid of this time that town needs to discuss and scumhunt.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:17 am
@DanelerH wrote:
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.
How is it poor sportsmanship?  If Town does so, yes, but if Mafia does so, it's a strategy to allow for less Town discussion.
Look at what Debi did this game. Allowing self lynching for such an extremely minimal and situational advantage that it gives the mafia is absurd.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:22 am
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.
How is it poor sportsmanship?  If Town does so, yes, but if Mafia does so, it's a strategy to allow for less Town discussion.
Look at what Debi did this game. Allowing self lynching for such an extremely minimal and situational advantage that it gives the mafia is absurd.
If scum does it how is it poor sportsmanship?


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:24 am
Linda. Town selfhammering is bad. We get it.
This isn't what we're argueing here.

We're argueing why it's okay for SCUM to self hammer.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:28 am
Linda, I agree that what Debi did was terrible sportsmanship. Why should that warrant banning the mechanic when it can be used for its proper purpose?
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:40 am
@Alisae wrote:
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@DanelerH wrote:Self-voting is fine if you're self-hammering as Mafia since it ends the Day early to allow less time for Town to discuss.  Town should not have a reason to self-vote.  That was Debi's own fault.
No, it's just all around poor sportsmanship.
How is it poor sportsmanship?  If Town does so, yes, but if Mafia does so, it's a strategy to allow for less Town discussion.
Look at what Debi did this game. Allowing self lynching for such an extremely minimal and situational advantage that it gives the mafia is absurd.
If scum does it how is it poor sportsmanship?
I'm not talking about if scum does that, I'm saying that that's a very miniscule reason to keep such an unsportsman move legal. Whenever I hosted, self-lynching was not allowed, and it was not allowed on Marriland either.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:42 am
Linda talk to me about where you came from and your mafia experience. Because I think your sense of normalcy is different from mine.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:43 am
Like, if possible can you give me as much details as possible? Thanks :D


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:47 am
@Alisae wrote:Linda talk to me about where you came from and your mafia experience. Because I think your sense of normalcy is different from mine.
Yes, I believe it's been established that our experiences with mafia are far difference. I played at Marriland before stupid drama hit the fan there. Day 1 lynching did not exist there. Self lynching did not exist there. I don't know what else you want me to say


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:50 am
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@Alisae wrote:Linda talk to me about where you came from and your mafia experience. Because I think your sense of normalcy is different from mine.
Yes, I believe it's been established that our experiences with mafia are far difference. I played at Marriland before stupid drama hit the fan there. Day 1 lynching did not exist there. Self lynching did not exist there. I don't know what else you want me to say
Talk to me about what set ups usually look like, and what were the mod pratices. Like did mods when modding their games just do flips and process actions? Did they occasionally provide a votecount?

Also what were the other players like there?


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:03 am
@Alisae wrote:
@Linda-Senpai wrote:
@Alisae wrote:Linda talk to me about where you came from and your mafia experience. Because I think your sense of normalcy is different from mine.
Yes, I believe it's been established that our experiences with mafia are far difference. I played at Marriland before stupid drama hit the fan there. Day 1 lynching did not exist there. Self lynching did not exist there. I don't know what else you want me to say
Talk to me about what set ups usually look like, and what were the mod pratices. Like did mods when modding their games just do flips and process actions? Did they occasionally provide a votecount?

Also what were the other players like there?
You should prob just read the games I played there that I shared here as a referrence. Just if you do, note that I acted extremely trolly there because I dont know why I did that shit lol. Shared the best games I had when I won MVP and best citizen nd shit there tho


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My current DA record: Wins:451 Lost: 81 Draws: 6
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:04 am
I just necrobumped the thread if you've never seen it


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Won more DA lives than anyone else. Alot more.
Supreme queen of May 2012, April-May 2013, and May 2014.
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My current DA record: Wins:451 Lost: 81 Draws: 6
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:44 am
Ah okay I'll read those later. Tho I'm fairly bad at reading games. Just a heads up.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:01 am
@Alisae wrote:
@kyosuke kiryu wrote:Also, next time don't allow self voting like debi did
If I didn't die, I was going to post this going into D3
Yo I wrote this overnight.

DO NOT EVER SELFHAMMER AS TOWN JESUS FUCKING CRIST THATS WHAT WE CALL GAMETHROWING.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT HAVING FUN IN A GAME JUST REPLACE OUT
IT'S THAT EASY.

Tho as scum you can selfhammer. By selfhammering as scum what you are doing is you are ending the discussion early so town has less time to hunt. I selfhammer as scum sometimes when I know my lynch is inevitable. Less time for town to discuss things the better.

But in all seriousness, Debi selfhammering and thinking he nailed scum was a dick move. But that's okay, apparently I'm the worthless anti-town trash that doesn't deserve to have a voice. And he didn't even nail scum, his CC means nothing.
But hey, my opinion doesn't matter.
So I'm going to place this vote here.
And catchup
VOTE: Kyosuke

Tl;dr Selfhammering as scum is fine. Selfhammering as town is gamethrowing. Don't do it UNLESS YOUR DEATH MEANS SOMETHING. As town you should ALWAYS be fighting back against your lynch.
You learned this the hard way didn't you


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:03 am
Jj, I tracked you, since I didn't like how you agreed with almost everything Ali said. I was sceptical of the strategy and since day 1 had somewhat of a god blessed ending and nothing to really go from I decided you were my best bet.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:50 am
@Pepchoninga wrote:You learned this the hard way didn't you
Pep. I was litterally frustrated, deathtunneled town that game with super bad reads.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:51 am
LIKE FUCK I'M EMBRASSED BY THAT GAME


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:51 am
@Pepchoninga wrote:Jj, I tracked you, since I didn't like how you agreed with almost everything Ali said. I was sceptical of the strategy and since day 1 had somewhat of a god blessed ending and nothing to really go from I decided you were my best bet.
tbh this makes sense I guess.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:13 am
Pep I should give you some games where the strat worked and payed off.
It nearly breaks Matrix6


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:52 am
No it doesn't! Pep, if you were sceptical of the strategy then why didn't you bring up any more concerns regarding it? And do you still have any concerns?

You can't be sceptical of something without actually having doubts.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:53 am
That's a response to you saying that reasoning makes sense, not you saying it breaks matrix6.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:47 pm
@jjh927 wrote:No it doesn't! Pep, if you were sceptical of the strategy then why didn't you bring up any more concerns regarding it? And do you still have any concerns?

You can't be sceptical of something without actually having doubts.
You got a point here but here's what I think Pep was trying to convey.
He thought you were scum nodding along with everything I say and because of that he tracked you because he thought you would do the kill.
But it's okay we can agree to disagree here.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:38 pm
so, are we decided on next game?


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Chronos Survival Cup 3 Winner. TBUT2 and TBUT3 winner.
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Won more DA lives than anyone else. Alot more.
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My current DA record: Wins:451 Lost: 81 Draws: 6
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:42 pm
Well, we've got four offers to host. Pep and Tric feel like hosting, but don't mind waiting. Alisae wants to host to try a specific setup, but doesn't mind waiting. jj wants to host a bastard game, but doesn't know how much interest there will be.
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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:10 pm
and I want to play in a mini mafia


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Chronos Survival Cup 3 Winner. TBUT2 and TBUT3 winner.
Won 29+ DA lives
DA Lives season 0, and season 1 winner.
Won more DA lives than anyone else. Alot more.
Supreme queen of May 2012, April-May 2013, and May 2014.
Three time Survival Master
My current DA record: Wins:451 Lost: 81 Draws: 6
Former Teacher and Assistant. Former Moderator.
First to ever reach the Abandoned Dark League
Moderator of the year 2013.
DA Regionals 2012 and 2013 top 4
Badass since 2011
First to ever pass the Slifer Exam, with a score of 34/35.
Much more.


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Re: DA Matrix6 Mafia #1 (GAME OVER)

on Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:12 pm
@Linda-Senpai wrote:and I want to play in a mini mafia
tbh what you call a mini is what I call a Micro (9 or less players) and your specific set up is role madness (somewhatish) which basicly means a lot of PRs. Usually a mini to me is 10-13 players but meh it's whatever I'm down for whatever (I just want to review the set up if the set up is open).


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