Its August, so its that time of year again. Rumours, Fake scans, etc will arise the first 2 weeks of august, and the list will be leaked around the week of the 15th (Around Aug 15-17) in the latest issue of V-JUMP. This thread is for general discussion of the format, and what belongs of the list. As well as for posting any rumours or pictures.

What Im sure about:
Libra at 1
Trishula at 1
Formula at 1
Megamoporph back

Not sure:
Maybe Heavy Storm (derpage backrows) and Black Luster Soldier back again. Also The D-Hero engine because they didnt do anything since ages, so I think D-Draw will be at 2.
Super poly maybe? idk just an idea.
I dont think they hit Lonefire since Libra and Formula are limited.

Banned:

Lonefire
Librarian
Monster Reborn

Limited:

Heavy Storm (introducing this back would slow down so many meta decks)
Shi en
Formula

Semi Limited:

tengu (MAYBE)
Call of the Haunted (banning reborn and putting this at 2 is good idea)

Unlimited

Cylinder
Overload Fusion
Spirit Reaper

Banned:

Lonefire Blossom
Gateway of the Six (simply because cards like this should not exist)

Limited:

Heavy Storm (in the format as it is now this should come back)
Archlord Kristya
Legendary Six Samurai Shi En
Dark Magician of Chaos
BLS (a possibility but he is still a very broken card)
T.G. Hyper Librarian
Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (it's limited in the OCG so i don't find any reason to why it should stay at it's current Unlimited state in the TCG)
Royal Tribute

Semi-Limited:

Formula Synchron
Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
Chaos Sorcerer (if BLS comes back this should get hit at 2 or 1 per deck)
Reborn Tengu (highly unlikely though simply because it's a TCG exclusive and the only exception to this was Allure of Darkness)
Destiny Draw (again highly unlikely because it seems Konami hates the Destiny Engine)
Ultimate Offering (I can see this card being hit again due to the XYZ monsters)

No Longer Restricted:

None

Reborn Tengu will not be touched: Its a TCG Exclusive, the TCG is hardly taken into account when making the list, and KDE R&D made the card for the sole purpose of its versititly and that apparently we've always wanted a card like that. The only way this will get touched, is if KDE and KoJ/Shueisha can come into agreement to put this on our list.

Librarian: 1 Vs Forbiden Cards like Librarian should not exist period. Even at 1, you are still giving resources to kill it and depending on how the new format is, is not gonna help. Basically 1 just makes it harder to efficiently go into Quasar. And? It can still win games.

Bahamut84 wrote:

Reasons for Ban: - Crazy combo enabler (nuff said?) Reasons why it should just be restricted to 1: - Just released in the TCG - TCG prize card even - Not so broken as a single copy (lol) - Not Dark Strike Fighter material - "I blame Formula" Personally, I am playing Junk Doppel and even I feel it should be banned. Leads to advantages that you can pretty much play without thinking because it is Auto-pilot once you reach a certain amount of cards where it is impossible for your opponent to catch up. Also, I feel that the TCG meta does not effect the list whatsoever. Every time something broken comes up, the reason "not gonna happen because TCG just got it" always fail and the card still got axed in some way.

And these are some of the reasons, why it wont be banned however:
-Just being released in the TCG does nothing
-TCG releated things are not taking into account [much]
-Hes being sarcastic on the single copy thing
-Not as bad as Dark Strike Fighter, but creating a similar impact in the sense, one of the cards that ruined nats season.
-Formula really is a problem with this card.

Also, at Worlds in two weeks, Librarian is limited to 1, maybe foreshadowing , maybe not. Probably not because the other two prize cards in Europe (Granel and Astro) are also at 1. Overall, on an ideal list, it should be banned.

Heavy Storm Vs Giant Trunade: Are both bad for the game weather you realize it or not. Both contribute to the usage of OTKs, the cards are so dependent on because of konamis card design. However Trunade encourages this more. At least with Storm, you have more outs, it curbs overextension, it baits out various things etc. Overall both are bad for the grame, shouldnt exist, and I blame Konami for shaping the game the way they did, in which the usage of these cards (specifically Trunade) was so important. But If I had a choice, It would be Heavy Storm limited, Giant Trunade banned.

The Plant Engine There are basically so many things that you can touch here:
Lonefire to 1/Forbidden
Dandylion forbidden
One For One Forbidden
Formula Synchron to 1
Pot Of Avarice to 1

One of the issues brought up a lot would be Lonefire VS Dandylion. Now Dandylion promotes all sorts of combos, and with one for one, thats pretty much the game, most of the time. Even more options open up once we get that Rank 3 Exceed Empty Space. But heres the thing, with Lonefire gone or even at 1, those plays are gone. The deck thinning is gone, quick and easy avarice plays go down a bit. Even one for one needs to go. its one of the best cards in the game. Take this away and its slows down so much. Its come to the point where Lonefire is just good, even with priority gone from ingition effects in the OCG. Without all this stuff, Dandy losses a lot of power. Basically everything I said would be ideal, but Dandy can stay at one, if Lonefire is taken out.

Samurais: I honestly dont care what they do to this deck. The only thing that comes to mind is simply Gateway, because cards like gateway should not exist. I mean you can take away DEST, and then everyojne starts maining d fissure fully. You can cut down on Smoke Signal, but the most they would probably do is 2. A Kaigeki hit does nothing because there is still Elder, making the deck almost impervious to veiler early game. Most likely the deck will still be playable next format.

Everything else really doesnt matter, these are the only key things in the format. Agents could possibly get a Kristya/Hyperion limit, GKs will not be touched, Its stupid to do anything else to BWs because theyre is so much more problematic things. Ultimate offering I can see going to 1 to prevent XyZ spam. Mind Control can also go, its getting more and more broken by the day especially with this new mechanic but I dont see it happening Delworen needs to be semied to those loops. If everything does get balanced then, also Royal Oppression can be banned, and Solemn warning can go 1. These cards made attempts to curb the spam and speed that this format was made of, Oppression on its own won games, but if everything gets touched, then they have to go to contribute to changes.

Overall, this is an ideal list:

Forbidden
Monster Reborn
Giant Trunade
Gateway Of The Six
One For One
Royal Oppression
Lonefire Blossom
T.G Hyper Librarian

Limited:
Solemn Warning
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
Formula Synchron
Pot Of Avarice
Archlord Kristya
Ultimate Offering
Trishula, Dragon Of The Ice Barrier

Semi-Limited:
Dewloren, King Tiger of the Ice Barrier
(Would love to put tengu here, but its not going anywhere)
And side from Dewloren, everything else would possibly be a pointless/experiemential semi, as majority of them already are.

No Longer On List:
Do not care at this point.

dark hole ban

nuff said

mind control ban

it can take face down monster

and in this synchro spam meta this card provides free fodder and also -1 for opponent

if not bring bacK brain control too

agents shouldnt be touched for next meta

they're balanced imo its easy to destroy kristya and hyperion in this +123213124125 set go meta

Didn't bother reading RebornShadow long post .-.

Here is my list ,

Banned:
- Giant Trunade
- Dopplewarrior
- Treeborn Frog
- Gateway of the six
- Lonefire Blossom
- Glowupbulb

Semi-Limited:
- T.G Librarian
- Reborn Tengu
- Black Rose Dragon
- Shooting Start Dragon
- Formula synchron

Limited:
- Trishula
- an some six sams cards.

Long post that sums up the format, and what needs to be hit

I think xyz would be allowed for the WC, so it quite possible Gadgets Offering to top and Ultimate Offering eat the limit at this format.Other that Lonefire blossom should be limited, dandy wasn't sufficient brake about Plants and they need to be stopped.Pot of Duality - it get reprinted, so probably will hit limit or semi.Probably Semi.

About Reborn Tengu.Here i'm not really sure what Konami will do.The card is broken and make the meta for sure, but at all - its only on TCG.It's completely possible Konami make it stay on 3, so OCG can use it on his full potential.There were a few other cases like that and Konami's act was always to stay the card unlimited.Hope we see something different this time.

Gravekeepers were too powerful this format, so Konami may limit Gravekeeper Spy/Recruiter and Royal Tribute so they put some brakes in the deck, like they did it for Blackwings with Gale and Whirlwind.Necrovalley is the real problem, but probably will not be touched by the banlist.Also Konami need open the way for the new meta, gks can't stay so powerful next format too.

My opinion about T.G.Hyper Librarian is that he will not be touched from the banlist at all, or if Konami put it in the banlist it would be semi.The librarian isn't still so easy to get i mean it's 40$.Also there are thousand cards, which stop it.For me it's more possible Formula synchron to be Limited, it still gives +1 with librarian, but that's all.Then he can't do anything.Only 1 possible formula synchron will make Librarian less annoying and he will not make like +5 in turn.

For me is also possible for us to see Tour Guide to the Underworld Semi-limited.The card is just beast in DW, other that it's free rank 3 xyz.In some decks [like the rabbit one] it's just too powerful.On 2 it will be still kinda broken, but it's better than each turn to see it on the field.Also the card now is around 90$, so the semi is the best thing we can hope.

Shien Smoke Signal at one - The problem in the samurais aren't united or gateway, the real problem are those 4rotas.This card at one will slow down the deck enough to open the way to the new meta, but not enough to kill it.

And i cant talk about Monster Reborn,Dark hole,Heavy Storm,Brain control...For me Konami are so unpredictable for that kind cards.They can do everything

So at all here is why i think Konami will do.

- Banned -
[0] Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

- Limited -
[1] Ultimate Offering
[1] Lonefire Blossom
[1] Gravekeeper Monster (Spy,Recruiter,Commadant,Descedant)
[1] Royal Tribute
[1] Formula Synchron
[1] Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
[1] Shien Smoke Signal
[1] Archlord Kristya
[1] Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. (Chaos era is coming back o.O)

- Semi-Limited -
[2] Pot of Duality
[2] Tour Guide to the Underworld
[2] Skill Drain
[2] Night Assailant
... and maybe [2] Mezuki - gonna rape with the new zombie su.pport.

- Unlimited -
[3] Megamorph

Btw i think evenBottomless Trap hole with the new priority rule is rape card in OCG, so it may fail in the banlist as well.We gonna see

Fake list time:

Dim prison lolol
I wished for Icarus tho

MST wtf lolol

Can anyone translate that picture for me ? ><